[BANISHED] Better Off Red
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[BANISHED] Better Off Red[BANISHED] Better Off Red
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Style:
Sour - Flanders Red Ale
Ranked #77
ABV:
7%
Score:
88
Ranked #17,442
Avg:
3.92 | pDev: 9.44%
Reviews:
14
Ratings:
69
From:
Crux Fermentation Project
 
Oregon, United States
Avail:
Rotating/Seasonal
Wants
  2
Gots
  17
SCORE
88
Very Good
[BANISHED] Better Off Red[BANISHED] Better Off Red
Notes: Flanders Reds may be called the Burgundies of Belgium, but we age our take on this complex, slightly tart style in Oregon pinot noir barrels for more than 18 months. A fresh batch will batch will present spicier notes, while older versions pick up more oak and yield cherry flavors. So we blended old and new, figuring we're better off presenting this exotic mélange simultaneously.
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Reviews by Keepnitrl:
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Keepnitrl from Washington

3.4/5  rDev -13.3%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.25 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.25

Definitely get a gentle hint of oak, but there appears to be an imbalance with the flavors.

Sep 16, 2017
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rodbeermunch from Nevada

3.46/5  rDev -11.7%
look: 3.25 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.25 | overall: 3.5

Another beer from March Madness 2018. Tough to recall who brought this, nobody from Oregon was there, but a few cats from CA & WA.

Anyhoo, pours the usual caramel brown. Pretty thin beige head, not a lot of bubbles. Has the aroma of dark cherry, red grape, oak, brown malt.

Neither the taste nor the aroma had that acetic acid vinegar thing going for it like a lot of flanders do. This was cleaner even though there was a damp wood and leather feel to it throughout. Lasting impression of dark fruit to it moreso than most flanders. Doesn't quite have that quad like dark fruit bitterness so much though. Tastes stronger than most too. Middle of the road malt body. Light brett influence on the back end giving a slightly thinner finish to the body, like a small amount of black currant was used.

When looking back at the final photo lineup that week, this one finished just behind the middle spot. 65th median kind of placement that week.

Oct 22, 2020
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elNopalero from California

4.78/5  rDev +21.9%
look: 5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.75 | feel: 5 | overall: 5

Bottled 6/17/2915, enjoyed December 2019.

Capped and corked. Opens silently, with no hissing or erupting. That’s encouraging, given some of my previous experiences.

Slow pour, as there’s a lot of foaming atop the golden auburn goodness filling my glass.

Some light Flanders red funk, all tart cherries and wet straw lingering around the nose, marched by the palate. It’s sharp and crisp and tartly sour and boldly effervescent and utterly delicious.

Jun 27, 2020
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StonedTrippin from Colorado

4.29/5  rDev +9.4%
look: 4 | smell: 4.25 | taste: 4.25 | feel: 4.25 | overall: 4.5

a neat blended flanders red type, a bottle i have been saving for awhile now, 2015 edition, wax, cap, and cork. the cork totally breaks apart and dissolves as we try to pull it out, then the beer gushes slowly out all over the counter, a real hot mess of a pile of cork bits, fizzy beer, and red wax, but the juice was worth the squeeze, a really nice example of the style here, super funky, tart, and mature, and more interesting and complex than most of these! real nice head on this once the foaming settles down, fruit vinegar, red wine, pie cherries, golden raisins, red currants, and even raspberries are in the aroma, its piquant, medicinally funky, super wood forward, and about as evolved as can be, more unique fermentation profile than other wild beers ive had from these guys and in this banished series, must be a product of its age. the flavor is somewhat less malty than these usually are, at least in the conventional sense, its lighter in texture, not sweet at all, and without the heavy toasted and caramelized characteristics. tons of fruitiness to this, cherry first, generic red berries and port wine, some light brown sugar, sharp citric acidity, and some well developed almost lambic funk to it, wrapped in wood, almost a soggy boggy thing to it, dusty, some iodine, really neat fermentation profile. effervescent even after the gushing, lighter body for the style, curiously fast finishing. just a really awesome beer, i love the idea of it being a blend of old and young beer in this style, and really think its one of the best crux beers ive ever had, which is really saying a lot. i wish i did a better job with the cork, but other than that this was an awesome drinking experience! well worth ageing awhile if you are lucky enough to have a bottle!

Dec 30, 2019
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BirdsandHops from Oregon

3.98/5  rDev +1.5%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4.25 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4.25

Feb 13, 2020
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Jason from Massachusetts

4.23/5  rDev +7.9%
look: 4.25 | smell: 4.25 | taste: 4.25 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.25

375ml brown bottle. Corked, capped, and waxed. Sample from the brewery.

Bit of a pop when the cork was pulled, pours a clear deep reddish amber hue with a beautiful looking off-white lace on top. Mild brett funk, vinous oak, ripe fruit, faint spice, and a ghost-like caramel in the nose. Creamy with a touch of crispness, smooth and medium bodied. Lots of wood character, oaky and mildly spicy. Vinous with some faint esters, tannins and a touch of caramel in the back. Dry for the most part, kiss of funk in the middle. Long oaky finish.

Deep and dreamy, Crux has pretty much nailed it here.

Oct 14, 2016
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Seantronz3030 from Washington

4/5  rDev +2%

May 06, 2014
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GClarkage from California

4.55/5  rDev +16.1%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 5 | feel: 5 | overall: 5

Nov 20, 2015
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largadeer from California

3.34/5  rDev -14.8%
look: 2.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.25 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

Sep 07, 2015
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Gilmango from California

3/5  rDev -23.5%

Jun 30, 2014
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rbrefbeerman from California

3.75/5  rDev -4.3%

Sep 01, 2014
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twelveinches from Washington

4.25/5  rDev +8.4%
look: 4.25 | smell: 4.25 | taste: 4.25 | feel: 4.25 | overall: 4.25

Aug 20, 2015
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Huhzubendah from District of Columbia

4.24/5  rDev +8.2%
look: 4 | smell: 4.25 | taste: 4.25 | feel: 4.25 | overall: 4.25

May 02, 2016
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ckeegan04 from Texas

3.5/5  rDev -10.7%
look: 3.75 | smell: 3.75 | taste: 3.25 | feel: 3.75 | overall: 3.5

Nov 04, 2015
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unoriginal from Colorado

4.87/5  rDev +24.2%
look: 4.5 | smell: 5 | taste: 5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.75

Apr 20, 2016
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snaotheus from Washington

3.53/5  rDev -9.9%
look: 3.75 | smell: 3.75 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3 | overall: 3.5

2015-08-30
350ml waxed capped and corked bottle split between a pair of wine glasses. Bottled 6/17/15. Thank you Crux for clearly, readably, and noticeably dating your beer.

Pours hazy reddish amber with a very small head. No visible carbonation, but a fair amount of floaters. I probably poured too vigorously. Smell is flat out tart cherry. Good, but not special.

Taste is surprisingly mild. Some of that tartness. Only a little of the fruitiness.

Mouthfeel is a little coarse. Overall, a decent beer. Not great. This is pretty fresh, though, and it might improve with age.

Aug 31, 2015
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sweemzander from Illinois

4.28/5  rDev +9.2%
look: 4.25 | smell: 4.25 | taste: 4.25 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.25

Jan 29, 2016
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jrohrbacher from North Carolina

3.75/5  rDev -4.3%

May 07, 2014
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XicanoBeerRun from Texas

4/5  rDev +2%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Dec 13, 2017
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Fatehunter from Oregon

3.6/5  rDev -8.2%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3 | overall: 3.5

Pours a finger of clear reddish colored body.
The aroma is sour raspberry.
The taste is mild cherry, tart and clean.
The texture is soft.
A nice tart and drinkable brew.

Sep 26, 2015
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parothead310 from Colorado

3.77/5  rDev -3.8%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 3.75 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.75

Poured from a waxed and corked bottle to a 12oz snifter. A few quick disappearing co2 bubbles. Poured an Amber color. Smells of oak, plums, and a hint of cherry. Highly carbonated with a strong oak and fruity flavor up front but the carbonation kills any lingering fruity notes. Not overly sour but not bland. Finishes tart and dry. Another beer from Crux that puts a smile on my face.

Jan 26, 2016
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Tele from California

3.9/5  rDev -0.5%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 3.75 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Serving Type: Bottle (Dated 6.17.15)
Consumed: 2.12.16

A: 4 Pours a semi-clear, reddish-gold amber (strange color). It has a bunch of floaties, some of which stick to the light tan head, which dissipates quickly and leaves very little lace.

S: 4 Pretty mild of funk, sweet and tart cherries, and some oak. Nice smelling but really mild without a whole lot going on.

T: 3.75 Flavors are a bit more interesting, starting off with a vinous quality before moving into medicinal cherry, funk, and very mild tartness. In fact, it’s almost more sweet than it is tart. Everything is pretty nice flavor-wise, but then it all disappears and becomes very watery with almost no finish.

M: 4 Again, pretty watery with mild carb. Body is okay at least.

O: 4 First time having a “sour” from Crux. I’ve liked their beers in the past, especially half hitch, but this one is pretty unremarkable.

Feb 13, 2016
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OrestesMethuon from Montana

4.34/5  rDev +10.7%
look: 4.25 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.25 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.25

A very good Flemish Red, with its marks buoyed by the fact that it achieves the goal it sets out for itself. Lovely bottle, with wax seal hiding bottle-cap hiding cork; even lovelier auburn color, with tight circlets of tiny bubbles agitating flecks of sediment, and a nice, boisterous, well-retained milk-ecru head lofting atop. But it isn't just the color that speaks to this ale's Burgundian inflections: it smells not just woody, but has that wet-herb forest-floor funk of a grand Pinot, with hints of grape must—which nevertheless doesn't overwhelm the dry, lacto-bacilius and leathery brettanomyces aromas that firmly announce this is a north-continent sour.

Likewise, the flavors reside in the nice Euler-intersection of "true to style" and "novel inflections". It smacks first of mild, red-malted pucker, with a firm mix of tart and woody-sweet. As Better Off Red moves across the palate, the woody elements intensify, but are softened and enlivened a flavor I can only describe as "wine in fermentation-bins"—a much lovelier taste than one might assume, working excellent alongside the more expected Flemish red ale qualities (barn-floor, bacterial bite, saddle). Finally—thanks again to the Burgundy barrels—there's an unexpectedly-smooth finish, with hints of vanilla and clove and even, in the face of the sour's core elements, a suggestion of bananas-foster.

A complex, completely pleasing experiment that I believe soundly accomplishes what it set out to do.

May 20, 2016
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UCLABrewN84 from California

3.98/5  rDev +1.5%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.75 | overall: 4

Dec 09, 2017
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eawolff99 from Minnesota

3.71/5  rDev -5.4%
look: 3.75 | smell: 4 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.75 | overall: 3.75

Sep 30, 2015
[BANISHED] Better Off Red from Crux Fermentation Project
Beer rating: 88 out of 100 with 69 ratings