Averagely Perfect NorthEast IPA - Poll #6 - Malt Combo Poll

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Choose the combination of malts that will join N.A. 2-Row Brewer's Malt and Flaked Oats in the grist

Poll closed May 21, 2016.

  1. Carapils

    1 vote(s)
    1.3%

  2. Wheat Malt

    16 vote(s)
    20.5%

  3. Honey Malt

    7 vote(s)
    9.0%

  4. Carapils and Wheat Malt

    12 vote(s)
    15.4%

  5. Carapils and Honey Malt

    13 vote(s)
    16.7%

  6. Wheat Malt and Honey Malt

    21 vote(s)
    26.9%

  7. Carapils, Wheat Malt, and Honey Malt

    3 vote(s)
    3.8%

  8. None of the Above

    5 vote(s)
    6.4%
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  1. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    -> Poll #5 <- determined that the crystal malt that will advance to the combination poll is Carapils.

    This poll will determine what combination of Caraplis, Wheat Malt, and/or Honey Malt (if any) will be IN, joining North American 2-Row Brewer's Malt and Flaked Oats in the grain bill.

    The combinations are unique. Straight plurality wins this poll. No write-ins for this one, as we're past that stage for grains. If your first choice is losing badly, consider jumping to a similar choice that has more votes if you can't stand the choice that is leading.

    I recommend you think about this in terms of not only your personal preferences, but also in the context of the ABV and Final Gravity (and thus the attenuation) already selected and grains already selected, as well as any possible yeast strain selection that might be kicking around in your head.

    This poll will be open for 48 hours.

    If you have issues with or suggestions for methodologies used in this project, please send them via beermail. Let's keep the threads themselves on topic to the question at hand and not about how you would have asked the question differently. Lobbying for votes and intelligent discussion of each choice's relative merits is encouraged.

    (This is the fourth Averagely Perfect project. If you don't know what these are about, see the genesis of the first one here... http://www.beeradvocate.com/community/threads/the-averagely-perfect-american-ipa-project.59552/ and subsequent polls. Or do a search on Averagely Perfect American IPA, Averagely Perfect American Stout, or Averagely Perfect Saison.)

    The Averagely Perfect NorthEast IPA Recipe so far...

    5 Gallons
    ABV: 6.5%
    OG: 1.062
    FG: 1.012
    Grain Bill:
    ---North American 2-Row Brewer's Malt
    ---Flaked Oats
    ---Carapils (possibly in, TBD this poll)
    ---Wheat Malt (possibly in, TBD this poll)
    ---Honey Malt (possibly in, TBD this poll)
     
    #1 VikeMan, May 19, 2016
  2. jbakajust1

    jbakajust1 Pooh-Bah (2,552) Aug 25, 2009 Oregon
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    I'm starting to see a trend unfold here. Seems as though way too many people are voting based on how they would make an IPA, not a NEIPA. I would recommend anyone who wants to vote in these polls to check out this thread:

    http://www.beeradvocate.com/community/threads/northeast-pales-ipa-dipa.319817/

    Lots of great info on grain bill selection, even the brewers of some of the best commercial versions chimed in. Water, yeast, grains, hopping. Cara malts (carapils included) are not a major player in those grists. Just a thought.
     
    #2 jbakajust1, May 19, 2016
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  3. CurtFromHershey

    CurtFromHershey Initiate (0) Oct 4, 2012 Minnesota

    And you don't need carapils to hit a FG of 1.012; that can be achieved with mash temps. So unless you're looking for a flavor contribution from carapils (not likely in a highly hopped beer), I agree that the votes seem misplaced
     
    #3 CurtFromHershey, May 19, 2016
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  4. BumpkinBrewer

    BumpkinBrewer Pundit (993) Jan 6, 2010 Massachusetts

    FYI: Almost all of Trillium's beers (a front runner in the NEIPA hype train) uses dextrin in their grist, according to their website.

    edit: Some even use dextrine and dextrose :grimacing:
     
    #4 BumpkinBrewer, May 19, 2016
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  5. psnydez86

    psnydez86 Initiate (0) Jan 4, 2012 Pennsylvania

    I chose honey malt. A small amount is nice in this beer style. I wouldn't be opposed to wheat also. I can almost guarantee the yeast is gonna be 1318, and these beers don't need any help with mouthfeel thanks to that yeast and water profile.
     
    #5 psnydez86, May 19, 2016
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  6. kcq101

    kcq101 Initiate (0) Nov 10, 2007 Pennsylvania

    Honey malt is my vote, as well.

    I've had very good success when used in small amounts (3%-4%), along with 2-row/pale malt/flaked oats combinations. I see no need for cara-nything. I don't prefer the wheat malt flavor for this style and believe the flaked oats already provides the benefits in terms of body/head.
     
    #6 kcq101, May 19, 2016
  7. SFACRKnight

    SFACRKnight Grand Pooh-Bah (3,348) Jan 20, 2012 Colorado
    Pooh-Bah Trader

    I don't see a point in any of the c malts listed. Between yeast esters and copious hop addition I find these malts just muddy up the water. I used caravienne in me once with success, the one I used c60 in at 1% added some color and the flavor seemed to detract from the over all beer. This beer is about mouthfeel, yeast, and hops, that's it.
    Edit, I also don't think honey malt has a place here either.
     
    #7 SFACRKnight, May 19, 2016
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  8. Soneast

    Soneast Pooh-Bah (1,751) May 9, 2008 Wisconsin
    Pooh-Bah

    Hmmm...never used honey malt in an IPA before, but I'm open to it. I dunno if it's stylistic accurate, but it appears as most people want to use it so WTH. I think with the flaked oats, wheat isn't really adding anything extra besides that sahti-like tartness it can give in larger doses so consequently I voted honey malt and carapils.
     
    #8 Soneast, May 20, 2016
  9. Lukass

    Lukass Pooh-Bah (2,891) Dec 16, 2012 Ohio
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    Went with wheat malt and honey malt
     
    #9 Lukass, May 20, 2016
  10. SFACRKnight

    SFACRKnight Grand Pooh-Bah (3,348) Jan 20, 2012 Colorado
    Pooh-Bah Trader

    Allright, I will bite, why the hell is everyone so into honey malt but also quick to judge the inclusion of crystal malts in a recipe?
    edit: stylistically crystal would be a more accurate addition when compared to the commercial offerings. Anyone have a commercial example that includes honey malt?
     
    #10 SFACRKnight, May 20, 2016
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  11. wspscott

    wspscott Pooh-Bah (1,958) May 25, 2006 Kentucky
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    Carapils sucks

    That is all :slight_smile:
     
    #11 wspscott, May 20, 2016
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  12. SFACRKnight

    SFACRKnight Grand Pooh-Bah (3,348) Jan 20, 2012 Colorado
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    Changed my vote to wheat simply to try and beat out honey malt per vikeman's instructions. Lol.
     
    #12 SFACRKnight, May 20, 2016
  13. mbbransc

    mbbransc Initiate (0) Mar 24, 2009 North Carolina

    I voted none of these. I usually add about 2% carared just to make it more orange than yellow. Otherwise, mine are all Golden Promise and Oats.
     
    #13 mbbransc, May 20, 2016
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  14. SFACRKnight

    SFACRKnight Grand Pooh-Bah (3,348) Jan 20, 2012 Colorado
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    If all you carapils and wheat voters would just switch to strictly wheat this would be over...
     
    #14 SFACRKnight, May 20, 2016
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  15. MmmmmmBeer123

    MmmmmmBeer123 Initiate (0) Nov 15, 2015 Connecticut

    IMHO there needs to be wheat malt in there...way to many recipes that I've seen that are "NEIPA style" have wheat malt in the grain bill to the tune of 5-10% of total grain bill. Every batch that I've brewed with wheat malt in the bill comes close to approximating the mouthfeel of many of the current "top" NEIPAs.

    I'd prefer to just vote for wheat but it's losing to some of the other combos; I voted for wheat+honey though to make sure that one of the wheat-containing choices stayed out in front...plus I think the honey malt would work better than the carapils
     
    #15 MmmmmmBeer123, May 20, 2016
  16. Naugled

    Naugled Pooh-Bah (1,944) Sep 25, 2007 New York
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    I voted honey malt just because I've been using it a lot lately in my IPA's and I like the effect. Simply 2-row and honey malt. I'm not sure if it fits into a NEIPA grain bill, but maybe we'll be pioneers here and make it work. To me it just adds a nice subtle background sweet tasting note, not overpowering or cloying or honey like IMO.

    The only example I can think of off hand is Flower Power, which is not a NEIPA in my mind, but it is an IPA from the North East (just to add some mud to the trending style)
     
    #16 Naugled, May 20, 2016
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  17. hara94

    hara94 Initiate (0) Apr 15, 2012 Minnesota

    Voted wheat
     
    #17 hara94, May 20, 2016
  18. jlordi12

    jlordi12 Pooh-Bah (1,856) Jun 8, 2011 Massachusetts
    Pooh-Bah

    barn burner
     
    #18 jlordi12, May 20, 2016
  19. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
    Pooh-Bah

    Wheat Malt and Honey Malt are in.
     
    #19 VikeMan, May 21, 2016
  20. wspscott

    wspscott Pooh-Bah (1,958) May 25, 2006 Kentucky
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    #20 wspscott, May 21, 2016
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