Averagely Perfect ESB - Poll #32 - Fermentation Temperature

Discussion in 'Homebrewing' started by VikeMan, Apr 28, 2017.

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Select the Fermentation Temperature.

Poll closed Apr 30, 2017.
  1. 58F

    0 vote(s)
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  2. 60F

    0 vote(s)
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  3. 62F

    0 vote(s)
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  4. 64F

    0 vote(s)
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  5. 66F

    27.3%
  6. 68F

    50.0%
  7. 70F

    18.2%
  8. 72F

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  9. 74F

    0 vote(s)
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  10. No single temperature, need polls for steps/ramps/etc.

    4.5%
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  1. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    -> Poll #31 <- determined that the 60 minute hop addition would be split equally between Target and Northdown. This poll will determine the fermentation temperature. When this poll is done, I will look at the data a few different ways to determine the central tendency. It may or may not be as simple as a plurality would indicate. There may or may not be a runoff. It all depends on the data.

    For those looking ahead, the next poll(s) will look at water profiles.

    This poll will be open for 48 hours.

    If you have issues with or suggestions for methodologies used in this project, please send them via beermail. Let's keep the threads themselves on topic to the question at hand and not about how you would have asked the question differently. Lobbying for votes and intelligent discussion of each choice's relative merits is encouraged.

    The Averagely Perfect ESB Recipe so far...

    Batch Size: 5 Gallons (into the fermenter)
    Target ABV: 5.4%
    OG: 1.053
    FG: 1.012 (77.4% Apparent Attenuation)
    IBUs: 40 (modified Tinseth)

    Grain Bill:
    ---Maris Otter (89%)
    ---English Crystal Malt (~55L) (5%)
    ---English Dark Crystal (~80L) (2%)
    ---Invert Sugar #2 (4%)

    Hops:
    60 Minutes: 0.34 ounces Target (11.1% AA), 0.34 ounces Northdown (8.5% AA)
    10 Minutes: 0.5 ounces EKG (5.5% AA), 0.5 ounces Northdown (8.5% AA)
    Flameout/Whirlpool/Hopstand: 0.5 ounces EKG (5.5% AA), 0.5 ounces Target (11.1% AA)


    Mash Temperature (recommended): 154F
    Mash Length (recommended): 60 minutes
    Yeast Strain: Wyeast 1469
     
  2. scottakelly

    scottakelly Maven (1,487) May 9, 2007 Ohio

    This yeast likes to go fairly warm. I like 68-70.
     
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  3. pweis909

    pweis909 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,250) Aug 13, 2005 Wisconsin
    Pooh-Bah

    Tell us more, please. My fermentations have run probably about 4 degrees cooler. I have generally had high attenuation with this strain, but perhaps (?) lower ester production. What do you like about the 68-70 mark?

    Also asking @JackHorzempa - I know this yeast is a favorite of yours. What temp do you like and why?
     
  4. scottakelly

    scottakelly Maven (1,487) May 9, 2007 Ohio

    I have probably used WY1469 around 15 times over the past few years. I love the stone fruit profile I get in the mid to upper 60s. In the mid to low 60s it is still present, just more subdued.
     
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  5. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
    Society Pooh-Bah

    I ferment with 1469 at the very top end of the recommended fermentation range: 70 degrees F. I very much enjoy the esters that this strain produces and by fermenting warm I encourage this aspect.

    I have a batch of Bitter Ale going right now and my fermentation temperatures per day were: 63, 66, 69, 70, 70, ...

    I am now in the dry hopping phase (2.5 ounces of East Kent Goldings).

    Cheers!
     
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  6. pweis909

    pweis909 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,250) Aug 13, 2005 Wisconsin
    Pooh-Bah

    Jack, given that one of the options in this poll is to ramp temps, and you appear to be doing that, can you explain your strategy? Thanks.
     
  7. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
    Society Pooh-Bah

    Peter, there was no purposeful strategy there. When I cooled the wort it just so happened that it was 63 degrees. I pitched the yeast and permitted the fermentation to 'free rise' to my target temperature of 70 degrees F.

    I have read no scientific papers concerning the aspects of ramping fermentation temperatures. If you have information here (e.g., references) I would appreciate you sharing this with me.

    Cheers!
     
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  8. scottakelly

    scottakelly Maven (1,487) May 9, 2007 Ohio

    Nothing scientific here, just anecdotal, but I know Fuller's swears by ramping fermentation temps up and down. Obviously a different strain.
     
  9. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
    Society Pooh-Bah

    And what are the alleged benefits of doing this vs. just having a straight line fermentation temperature profile?

    Do you think that this practice in a large scale commercial brewery directly translates to a 5 gallon batch given the differing aspect ratios?

    Cheers!
     
  10. scottakelly

    scottakelly Maven (1,487) May 9, 2007 Ohio

    My reference is to an interview of a brewer at Fuller's on an old Brewing Network podcast. My memory could be a bit hazy, but my recollection was they thought it impacted the flavor profile. Given this is a commercial brewery, I highly doubt that it would have any impact on a homebrewer.
     
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  11. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
    Society Pooh-Bah

    I agree with you here. Commercial fermentors are quite different from homebrewing fermentors.

    Cheers!
     
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  12. pweis909

    pweis909 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,250) Aug 13, 2005 Wisconsin
    Pooh-Bah

    Your memory is right. This is actually why I asked you and @JackHorzempa for specifics, and why I asked Jack about the ramping. I won't be second guessing Fullers, but that doesn't mean that what they do is right for homebrewers brewing in a 5 gallon brewhouse.
     
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  13. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
    Pooh-Bah

    68F it is.
     
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