Wax Removal

Discussion in 'Beer Talk' started by BeanBump, Feb 26, 2018.

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  1. BeanBump

    BeanBump Initiate (0) Dec 14, 2016 California

    Whenever I need to open a bottle with a wax-dipped top, I just take to it with a knife. Luckily, I still have all 10 fingers but when I was opening a waxed bottle yesterday I got to thinking that there must be a better way to remove enough wax to get the bottle cap off that doesn't carry the risk of a self-stabbing. Anyone have a good suggestion?
     
  2. drtth

    drtth Initiate (0) Nov 25, 2007 Pennsylvania

  3. BeanBump

    BeanBump Initiate (0) Dec 14, 2016 California

  4. EvenMoreJesus

    EvenMoreJesus Initiate (0) Jun 8, 2017 Pennsylvania

    These are your friend:

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  5. drtth

    drtth Initiate (0) Nov 25, 2007 Pennsylvania

    Never could get it down, but I don't buy them any more. Not worth the hassle.
     
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  6. cavedave

    cavedave Poo-Bah (3,108) Mar 12, 2009 New York
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  7. Ranbot

    Ranbot Defender (676) Nov 27, 2006 Pennsylvania

    I tried softening the wax with a lighter last time and it worked OK... I still had to cut the wax off the very top of the cap to get a good angle with the opener, but it was easier/safer than removing all the wax from the sides.

    I hate waxed bottles and wish all breweries would stop doing it. Wax does nothing more for the beer than a good cap or cork, apart from some aesthetics,.
     
  8. bgold86

    bgold86 Crusader (786) Apr 1, 2015 New York
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    I run the wax part of the bottle under hot water in the sink for 20 seconds (maybe 10-15 seconds more for extra thick wax), cap pretty much pops off with my bottle opener (make sure you have a good strong one).
     
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  9. Invinciblejets

    Invinciblejets Devotee (477) Sep 29, 2014 South Carolina

    I just take my butane torch and melt that shit off and make a huge mess. Probably unnecessary but it looks bad ass.
     
  10. EvenMoreJesus

    EvenMoreJesus Initiate (0) Jun 8, 2017 Pennsylvania

    #boycottwaxedbottles
     
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  11. BigIslandfarmer

    BigIslandfarmer Initiate (0) Sep 30, 2016 Minnesota

    I've never had a problem using the lighter method. I just hold my zippo on one side of the cap for 20-30 seconds then pop of the cap using my normal bottle opener. Easy peasy, no mess...
     
  12. BWood

    BWood Initiate (0) Jan 4, 2015 California

    I take my bottle opener and dig it in to the top of the wax near the edge. Once you get it under the wax you just keep pushing and turning the bottle opener around the edge. Once I get the top portion off I can usually dig the opener under and edge of the cap and pop the bottle open. Sometimes it hurts the hand slightly. But usually I can get a bottle open in about 20 seconds. I do have a opener that has a large thick handle which helps. Probably would be more difficult with a thin bottle opener.
     
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  13. ShanePB

    ShanePB Poo-Bah (2,011) Sep 6, 2010 Pennsylvania
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  14. mpwiemann

    mpwiemann Initiate (194) May 20, 2015 Wisconsin
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    I second the Yopener. Yopener in my downstairs bar, yopener in the tailgate kit, yopeners......everywhere.
     
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  15. Dan_K

    Dan_K Zealot (520) Nov 8, 2013 Colorado
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    I use a "whale shark" and just go right in there with the serrated metal piece and pop the top off. Wax sucks and trying to remove it with a knife is dangerous, frustrating, and messy.
     
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  16. Leebo

    Leebo Initiate (0) Feb 7, 2013 Massachusetts

    I don't buy them.
     
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  17. jhavs

    jhavs Poo-Bah (2,062) Apr 16, 2015 New York
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    I have never noticed a problem with opening it as I would any capped bottle. Just make sure you grip the opener into the wax and it will rip the wax right off with the cap. Why remove it prior to opening?
     
  18. HouseofWortship

    HouseofWortship Meyvn (1,409) May 3, 2016 Illinois
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    Woa, woa, woa. Don't you guys know you aren't supposed to drink beer with waxed tops? You are supposed to cellar those until far enough in the future by which time they will have devised a better way of opening them.
     
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  19. rgordon

    rgordon Meyvn (1,321) Apr 26, 2012 North Carolina

    Take a good corkscrew straight through the top. Works perfectly. That is if it's corked!!
     
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  20. BeanBump

    BeanBump Initiate (0) Dec 14, 2016 California

    Most of my waxed bottles are capped. Admittedly, I have gone digging under wax for a good place to pry a cap off only to find that it was corked the whole time and I just wasnt aware. Made me feel real smart.
     
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  21. DVMin98

    DVMin98 Poo-Bah (4,382) Nov 1, 2010 North Carolina
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    Im a surgeon. Knife everytime.
     
  22. AyatollahGold

    AyatollahGold Initiate (0) Nov 28, 2016 Indiana

    Don't get the hate for wax bottles.
    To me it's always been as simple as ringing around underneath the cap with a knife and then open with a regular bottle opener.
     
  23. BBThunderbolt

    BBThunderbolt Poo-Bah (10,026) Sep 24, 2007 Kiribati
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    I've said it before, but, here goes again: Y'all must be getting some thinly waxed bottles if ya can get an opener onto the cap through the wax. About the lightest wax I regularly see are Abyss bottles, and they're not thinly waxed.
     
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  24. AyatollahGold

    AyatollahGold Initiate (0) Nov 28, 2016 Indiana

    FFF's isn't thin wax. And that's how I do every one of them.

    EDIT: but this is after I make a ring underneath the whole cap with a knife.
     
  25. HouseofWortship

    HouseofWortship Meyvn (1,409) May 3, 2016 Illinois
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    FFF's wax the past couple of years is almost more plastic than wax. It cracks off.
     
  26. AyatollahGold

    AyatollahGold Initiate (0) Nov 28, 2016 Indiana

    I can't argue with its more like plastic now, but I've not had any crack on me.
     
  27. bbtkd

    bbtkd Poo-Bah (14,963) Sep 20, 2015 South Dakota
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    Exactly! Everyone should put away the fancy doohickeys, flame throwers, and scalpels - and just use any metal opener, push through the wax, and open as usual. Not rocket science folks.
     
  28. tzieser

    tzieser Meyvn (1,211) Nov 21, 2006 New Jersey
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    I usually just take a knife or blade of some sort and cut around the cap of the bottle. Pop off the wax and open it. Easy.
     
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  29. TonyLema1

    TonyLema1 Poo-Bah (1,932) Nov 19, 2008 South Carolina
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    I want to personally slap whoever is responsible for the wax on Terrapin special releases
     
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  30. BBThunderbolt

    BBThunderbolt Poo-Bah (10,026) Sep 24, 2007 Kiribati
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    I am yet to meet the opener that can under the lip of the cap, without removing the wax first, of most of the waxed bottles I see. Admittedly, I mostly buy local/regional beers, and maybe our breweries have a heavy hand with the wax, but even the occasional bottle I get from out of area tends to lean to unapproachable.

    When you can't even see the shape of the cap under the wax, it's too much wax.
     
  31. AyatollahGold

    AyatollahGold Initiate (0) Nov 28, 2016 Indiana

    Still remember my first ever wax dip. It was a BBA Plead the 5th given to me by a friend as I was first getting into stouts. What a treat. Thanks Jared.
     
  32. BalancingBrooms

    BalancingBrooms Poo-Bah (1,816) Aug 22, 2013 California
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    No Bovie?
     
  33. beergoot

    beergoot Poo-Bah (9,208) Oct 11, 2010 Colorado
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    Use a knife or some similar "pointy" object, make a small slit in the wax below the cap that allows enough room for your bottle opener of choice, and voilà...
     
  34. bbtkd

    bbtkd Poo-Bah (14,963) Sep 20, 2015 South Dakota
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    This is what I use. This is upside down - the small lip pushes through the wax, goes under the lip of the cap, and lifts the cap. I've used this on thick wax and the plastic kind. No, the edge is not sharpened. I actually collect these - have a dozen or so.

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  35. BBThunderbolt

    BBThunderbolt Poo-Bah (10,026) Sep 24, 2007 Kiribati
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    Maybe next time I encounter an example, I'll send you one to see how it works. I do need the SD/ND ticks after all. :wink:
     
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  36. rudge75

    rudge75 Initiate (27) Mar 12, 2003 Canada (MB)

    Wrong.

    A cap or cork are never an absolute seal. Due to the law of partial pressures, gas leaves the bottle over time and an ingress of oxygen occurs. The wax is meant to stop that ingress of oxygen by sealing the cap completely and thereby extending the shelf life of the beer.

    Cork is worse because cork is chosen specifically because it breathes - oxygen in, gas out. Similar to a barrel where some oxygen is good, too much is very bad (resuting in cardboard oxidation notes eventually).

    This is one of the reasons you see the wax on beers meant to be aged for long periods of time. For example a 30 year old bottle of Thomas Hardy's still tastes strikingly like a Thomas Hardy's but is usually loaded with port/sherry notes from the oxidation. They only used the foil finish on Hardy's and in good bottle collections you may find the collector has waxed the cap themselves.

    Take a good barleywine or imperial stout then wax that bottle cap - under good cellar conditions, this beer will taste fantastic with an extended (3 + years) cellar sleep. Our brewery still receives reviews on the regular for barleywines we produced from 2006 - 2010. The main reason those reviews are still good is because of the cellar conditions and the wax.
     
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  37. GuyFawkes

    GuyFawkes Poo-Bah (6,562) Apr 7, 2011 Illinois
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    What's the name of your brewery? Curious.
     
  38. rudge75

    rudge75 Initiate (27) Mar 12, 2003 Canada (MB)

    Half Pints
     
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  39. Ranbot

    Ranbot Defender (676) Nov 27, 2006 Pennsylvania

    Strawman. I never said or implied a cap or cork are an absolute seal.
    There's actually no empirical evidence that this is true for beer [or for wine, which is where most of the studies of wax and oxidation come from]. The cap or cork is orders of magnitude better at stopping oxygen ingress than wax, such that the partial pressures you speak of will be imperceptibly different between a waxed and unwaxed bottle. Wax can protect the cap/cork from excess moisture [rotting/rusting], but that's about it. Adding wax to a bottle and claiming it keeps oxygen out is like adding a coat of paint to a concrete dam and claiming the paint holds the water back.

    http://draftmag.com/wax-beer-seal-caps/
    https://www.pastemagazine.com/articles/2017/02/lets-face-it-waxed-beer-bottles-suck.html
    http://www.winespectator.com/drvinny/show/id/How-Does-Wax-Capsule-Affect-Wine-Aging-54513
    http://mentalfloss.com/article/60233/why-are-liquor-bottles-sometimes-sealed-wax
     
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