Fundamental Forces
Bottle Logic Brewing

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Style:
American Imperial Stout
Ranked #41
ABV:
16.2%
Score:
99
Ranked #192
Avg:
4.59 | pDev: 6.32%
Reviews:
33
Ratings:
187
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Notes: Science never rests, and so the noble work on our Imperial Vanilla Stout continues. We’ve aged this second release of Fundamental Forces for a full twenty months in a blend of exemplary bourbon barrels with Tahitian vanilla beans for an unparalleled floral, fruit-rich vanilla sweetness.
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Photo of eppie82
4.32/5  rDev -5.9%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4.25 | taste: 4.25 | feel: 4.25 | overall: 4.5

You better like boozy beers if you're drinking this. Boozy on the nose and in the flavor. The hints of vanilla that come out as it warms only serves little to tame some of the booze. Medium mouthfeel. The theme of this beer is boozy though. One of the guys in the share described it as 'bourbon with a shot of beer'.

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Photo of Beersnake1
4.8/5  rDev +4.6%
look: 4.5 | smell: 5 | taste: 4.75 | feel: 4.75 | overall: 4.75

2019 vintage poured from fridge temp. Motor oil black with gorgeous brown head. Nose is maple, bourbon, milk chocolate, vanilla, and big roasted malts. So complex and aromatic. Taste is mind blowing. Big black licorice, maple, bourbon, vanilla cream, dark chocolate, marshmallow, and dark fruit. Mouthfeel is huge and creamy.

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Photo of Sabtos
4.05/5  rDev -11.8%
look: 4.25 | smell: 4.25 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.25 | overall: 4.25

An angry void of black is capped by a thin but solidly uniform tan blanket that dies to an oily tar black surface.

The medium-full body starts with floral vanilla which then becomes simultaneously more viscous yet hot as the bubbly froth develops a fiery breath that's hot af. That said, it has a good, woody bourbon character that's mature and not overpowering, but it's just the ABV that is pretty intense.

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Photo of Dicers
3.85/5  rDev -16.1%
look: 4.5 | smell: 3.75 | taste: 3.75 | feel: 4.25 | overall: 3.75

This was poured as part of a blind vanilla share. 2019 vintage. Surprisingly ethanol on the nose and on the taste. Vanilla is present and still tastes pretty good, but I do believe this to be overrated.

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Photo of jheimbigner
4.34/5  rDev -5.4%
look: 4.25 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.25 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.25

Batch 2 consumed 2/8/2020 strong vanilla, mild bourbon, slightly hot. But for 18% quite good, but think I like bcbvs more. Think this could get better with some cellaring

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Photo of johnInLA
4.16/5  rDev -9.4%
look: 3.75 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.25

500ml bottle poured into a snifter.

Black, small light brown head which quickly fully diminishes

The nose has strong barrel, vanilla, and bourbon which play well together, with a touch of anise.

The flavor is dominated by bourbon, to the point of being unbalanced. Vanilla and anise kick in as secondary flavors.

The feel is thinner then your typical Bottle Logic Static beer, but it is still medium body. There is a good amount of heat ( no surprise at 18% ). It has a creamy feel to it.

Even with its bourbon dominance, I still really like the beer. I think it does all come together in a nice way, provided you like the bourbon flavor.

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Photo of pmarlowe
4.61/5  rDev +0.4%
look: 3.75 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.75 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.75

2019 vintage. Released a couple weeks ago.

A: Pours black with a sparse dark brown head that dissipates rapidly to a tight ring. No lacing and minimal retention.

S: Dark cocoa, a little anise, loads of vanilla bean, light roast, moderate dried plum.

T: Dark roast, rich velvety dark chocolate, vanilla ice cream, light and well integrated oak, moderate sweetness, with a very long finish.

M: Full bodied, chewy, with medium-light alcohol heat and light carbonation to cut through the body.

O: Pretty delicious. A huge, flavorful vanilla BA stout with some interesting dried fruit flavor.

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Photo of pkalix
4.57/5  rDev -0.4%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.75 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.5

total AMARETTO on the nose and palate in tiny sips.... the feel, the smell and the taste in super small sips is completely Amaretto.... slightly thinner than i expected.

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Photo of GreesyFizeek
3.27/5  rDev -28.8%
look: 3.75 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.25 | feel: 3 | overall: 3

This one pours a very dark black color, with a small head, and not much lacing.

This one smells like oxidization and cardboard, artificial vanilla, candy syrup, booze, and chocolate.

I expected quite a bit more out of this beer. Given the 16% ABV, I expected that it wouldn't be over the hill, but it certainly is, unfortunately. It's oxidized, with old fruit and stale flavors. There's also a definitely artificial sweetness here, unlike most version of FO - they almost always have legitimate vanilla flavors. I am very disappointed here.

This is medium bodied, and pretty creamy, with a heavy duty boozines on the very back end of each sip.

This was honestly supposed to be really great, and it was instead massively disappointing. Something these things happen.

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Photo of Vidblain
4.5/5  rDev -2%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.5

Tremendously boozy vanilla in the nose and in the taste. Lots and lots of barrel - a bit dry, nice clean finish. Vanilla tastes very natural, though boozy as hell.

Call me a heathen, but I prefer how much smoother Fundamental Observation is (2017 is my benchmark) - I might almost rather have that beer.

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Photo of Ciocanelu
4.5/5  rDev -2%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.5

Sample at Mikkeller Beer Celebration Copenhagen 2018, Green Session. Aroma is sweet, malty and sugary with dried fruit notes. Taste is sweet, boozy, sugary with intense flavors, bitter dark chocolate finish, bourbon heat and wood barrel.

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Photo of Futbolmanby
4.66/5  rDev +1.5%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4.75 | taste: 4.75 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.5

Look: fudge batter thick, as black as it can get with a thin khaki head.
Smell: bourbon, vanilla, carnal and ethanol
Taste: marshmallow, vanilla and a great bourbon finish
Feel: thick, no carbonation but it's still a little hot so u get an ethanol burn.

Overall it's a killer beer, just needs a year or two to sit.

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Photo of edthehead
4.6/5  rDev +0.2%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.75 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.5

Wish I could have this side by side with FO. I really think it's every bit as good. Possibly even more bourbon and vanilla if my memory serves me right?

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Photo of Stevedore
4.49/5  rDev -2.2%
look: 4.25 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.5

500ml bottle. Served in a snifter glass. Pours a dark black body, one finger offwhite head, good retention, no lacing. Smell is boozy vanilla brownie batter; the vanilla bean is more of a slightly processed type rather than the marshmallowy type, it reminds me a bit of french vanilla ice cream if that makes sense. A bit of smoky malt, strong milk chocolate sweetness, cocoa and espresso from the base beer, lots of bourbon. Flavour is essentially a boozy creme brulee with chocolate brownie batter. Super nice in small quantities. Mouthfeel is fuller bodied, moderate booziness, with a lingering vanilla bean finish. A really big dessert beer which is nice in smaller quantities, but this big boy will hit ya hard if you're not careful.

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Photo of Alieniloquium
3.78/5  rDev -17.6%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 3 | overall: 4

500 mL bottle. Black body. Smells of alcohol, vanilla, more alcohol, roasted and nutty malts. Some oak. Tastes of vanilla. Sharp vanilla and fruitiness. Alcohol. Rich chocolate. More alcohol. Heavy and intensely alcoholic. It's over the top in every way, but it is really well made for what it is.

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Photo of Fireman_RK
4.94/5  rDev +7.6%
look: 4.75 | smell: 5 | taste: 5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 5

L: Dark onyx hues with a rich dark brown and sandy head
S: Huge vanilla beans on the nose with a bit of barrel
T: Liquid s'mores - vanilla bomb, dark and milk chocolate, subtle malt breadiness, and boozy bourbon
F: Medium to thick body with ample carb
O: Absolutely loved this one. To me this was an intensified, next level FO - more vanilla, more booze, more chocolate. Overall, this was very well done.

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Photo of rmpic82
4.52/5  rDev -1.5%
look: 4.75 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.5

A beastly brew, at 16+ there is definitely some power to this one. It has great barrel presence, with a slug of vanilla on the mid-palate. The length is there. Maybe I'm just not as big a vanilla fan? It was good, but not something I'd need to seek out or "overpay" for.

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Photo of rabbott2
4.65/5  rDev +1.3%
look: 4.75 | smell: 4.75 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.75 | overall: 4.75

original batch drank on 4/30/2017

L-thick dark black, minimal head, a little bit of lacing

S-vanilla, milk chocolate, and oak with the boozy bourbon coming through with power. Not getting the cocoa nibs that FO brings through so nicely.

T-follows the nose, but the boozy bourbon is pretty intense. The vanilla is somewhat hidden under the bourbon.

F-semi-creamy and definitely does not drink like a 16%er. Probably 12-13% would have been my guess. No heat at all either.

Overall - I definitely like FO better, but I LOVE FO more than just about any beer I've had. I would have liked more vanilla to come through, but there certainly is a nice vanilla presence. The boozy bourbon is strong, but in a very good way. Incredible beer, and one I think will age well.

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Photo of YodersBeerEmporium
5/5  rDev +8.9%
look: 5 | smell: 5 | taste: 5 | feel: 5 | overall: 5

This was everything I had hoped it would be! Fundamental Observation on Steroids! More barrel notes, more vanilla IMO then FO b2 for sure...maybe not b1... Pretty solid!

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Photo of GuyFawkes
4.04/5  rDev -12%
look: 4.25 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4.25 | overall: 4

2017 vintage; drank 4/14/17 @ Harvest Hop Haus.

Black appearance.

Almost no tan head; no lace.

Vanilla, bourbon heat & milk chocolate notes in the nose.

Thick, smooth mouthfeel.

Vanilla, bourbon heat, milk chocolate & medium roast coffee flavors.

There's a delicious beer lurking in this beer, but it's too hot right now to truly love. Maybe in 2 years this will blossom...still good now.

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Photo of gibgink
4.25/5  rDev -7.4%
look: 4.5 | smell: 5 | taste: 3.75 | feel: 4.25 | overall: 4.25

Pours pitch black, and the nose on this is a pure vanilla explosion. The taste of the beer was the let down for me. There is an initial wave of vanilla that is great, but then the barrel sweetness gets in the way and the end result is a weird mess, giving a slightly vanilla with barrel sweet tangy flavor. The alcohol is very well hidden however, but I feel that the beer itself fails when trying to go so big on flavor in such a high alcohol content.

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Photo of mothman
4.5/5  rDev -2%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.5

Little to no head. Oil black color and thickness.

Tons of vanilla and marshmallow with cocoa and bourbon. Booze shows. Oak. More vanilla. Chocolate.

Thick and rich with a light roast. Warming. Lots of sweetness.

This is pretty solid, but I can't say it is better than FO or VR. Had VR right before this and it is more complex and drinkable. This is more one dimensional in comparison but still an awesome beer.

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Photo of craftnewb
5/5  rDev +8.9%
look: 5 | smell: 5 | taste: 5 | feel: 5 | overall: 5

Straight fire by bottle logic. Motor oil color. Barely got any head despite an aggressive pour. The extra months in the barrels being our the booziness of the beer. Cheers to the gym crew for bringing this to our weekly share.

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Photo of Mpontiakos
5/5  rDev +8.9%
look: 5 | smell: 5 | taste: 5 | feel: 5 | overall: 5

Bottle logic crushed it! What a terrific example of extra months in barrels. The Vanilla and bourbon are well balanced. BrianS52 tried to pass this unicorn up; however, I was victorious like Johnny Drama

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Photo of brians52
5/5  rDev +8.9%
look: 5 | smell: 5 | taste: 5 | feel: 5 | overall: 5

Wow!! Fantastic beer - the extra months in the barrel did this beer some wonders. Smooth and leathery - lovely bourbon, thick yet crisp. I want more!

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Beer rating: 99 out of 100 with 187 ratings