Fundamental Forces
Bottle Logic Brewing

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Stout - American Imperial
Ranked #35
Ranked #155
4.58 | pDev: 6.33%
Bottle Logic Brewing
California, United States
Fundamental ForcesFundamental Forces
Notes: Science never rests, and so the noble work on our Imperial Vanilla Stout continues. We’ve aged this second release of Fundamental Forces for a full twenty months in a blend of exemplary bourbon barrels with Tahitian vanilla beans for an unparalleled floral, fruit-rich vanilla sweetness.
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Sandis from Minnesota

4.75/5  rDev +3.7%
look: 4.75 | smell: 4.75 | taste: 4.75 | feel: 4.75 | overall: 4.75

2019 version poured from the bottle into a snifter. This has a wonderful vanilla flavor and the high ABV percentage is incredibly hidden. Excellent!

Apr 21, 2021
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hopley from Massachusetts

4.58/5  rDev 0%
look: 4.25 | smell: 5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.25 | overall: 4.5

Batch 2. Bottle dated 2019. 18% ABV. Drank out of a tulip over two nights in Feb, 2021. Nice vanilla. Relatively light mouthfeel. Total bourbon smell and taste. Loved it.

Feb 23, 2021
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furiousss from Netherlands

3.71/5  rDev -19%
look: 4.25 | smell: 3.75 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.75

Served from bottle, 2019/level 2 on label.

Look: pours black with brown foam, good carbonation

Smell: dark chocolate, bourbon, vanilla, but mostly very boosy.

Taste: chocolate and vanilla, but again the booziness overpowers everything. The balance is missing on this one.

Mouthfeel: bit thin body

Overall: Overall very boosy, balance is missing. In this case batch 1 definitely was better.

Dec 30, 2020
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RAlmeida77 from Massachusetts

4.29/5  rDev -6.3%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4.25 | taste: 4.25 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.25

FFBL draft. Found this to be super boozy. Not a ton of vanilla either. Smelled great, taste wasn’t as impressive. Thick mouthfeel. Overall, solid but not as good as its rating.

Sep 11, 2020
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crobinso from Colorado

4.74/5  rDev +3.5%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4.75 | taste: 4.75 | feel: 4.75 | overall: 4.75

Barrel comes through nicely and a solid boozy note. An underlying fruitiness which mixes well with the chocolate and vanilla. Warmer it gets the more the fruitiness shows up and the more I like it. Don't get 18% ABV at all. Slow sipper.

Jul 02, 2020
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Beersnake1 from California

4.8/5  rDev +4.8%
look: 4.5 | smell: 5 | taste: 4.75 | feel: 4.75 | overall: 4.75

2019 vintage poured from fridge temp. Motor oil black with gorgeous brown head. Nose is maple, bourbon, milk chocolate, vanilla, and big roasted malts. So complex and aromatic. Taste is mind blowing. Big black licorice, maple, bourbon, vanilla cream, dark chocolate, marshmallow, and dark fruit. Mouthfeel is huge and creamy.

Apr 25, 2020
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Sabtos from Ohio

4.05/5  rDev -11.6%
look: 4.25 | smell: 4.25 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.25 | overall: 4.25

An angry void of black is capped by a thin but solidly uniform tan blanket that dies to an oily tar black surface.

The medium-full body starts with floral vanilla which then becomes simultaneously more viscous yet hot as the bubbly froth develops a fiery breath that's hot af. That said, it has a good, woody bourbon character that's mature and not overpowering, but it's just the ABV that is pretty intense.

Mar 16, 2020
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Dicers from Colorado

3.85/5  rDev -15.9%
look: 4.5 | smell: 3.75 | taste: 3.75 | feel: 4.25 | overall: 3.75

This was poured as part of a blind vanilla share. 2019 vintage. Surprisingly ethanol on the nose and on the taste. Vanilla is present and still tastes pretty good, but I do believe this to be overrated.

Feb 10, 2020
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jheimbigner from Washington

4.34/5  rDev -5.2%
look: 4.25 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.25 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.25

Batch 2 consumed 2/8/2020 strong vanilla, mild bourbon, slightly hot. But for 18% quite good, but think I like bcbvs more. Think this could get better with some cellaring

Feb 09, 2020
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johnInLA from California

4.16/5  rDev -9.2%
look: 3.75 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.25

500ml bottle poured into a snifter.

Black, small light brown head which quickly fully diminishes

The nose has strong barrel, vanilla, and bourbon which play well together, with a touch of anise.

The flavor is dominated by bourbon, to the point of being unbalanced. Vanilla and anise kick in as secondary flavors.

The feel is thinner then your typical Bottle Logic Static beer, but it is still medium body. There is a good amount of heat ( no surprise at 18% ). It has a creamy feel to it.

Even with its bourbon dominance, I still really like the beer. I think it does all come together in a nice way, provided you like the bourbon flavor.

Jan 12, 2020
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pmarlowe from Virginia

4.61/5  rDev +0.7%
look: 3.75 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.75 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.75

2019 vintage. Released a couple weeks ago.

A: Pours black with a sparse dark brown head that dissipates rapidly to a tight ring. No lacing and minimal retention.

S: Dark cocoa, a little anise, loads of vanilla bean, light roast, moderate dried plum.

T: Dark roast, rich velvety dark chocolate, vanilla ice cream, light and well integrated oak, moderate sweetness, with a very long finish.

M: Full bodied, chewy, with medium-light alcohol heat and light carbonation to cut through the body.

O: Pretty delicious. A huge, flavorful vanilla BA stout with some interesting dried fruit flavor.

Jan 10, 2020
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Radcpa from Washington

4.52/5  rDev -1.3%
look: 4.75 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.5

Very dark appearance with slight tan head that dissipates quickly. Aroma is a very pleasant vanilla and bourbon. Taste is also a very pleasant smooth bourbon and vanilla.

Dec 29, 2019
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pkalix from California

4.57/5  rDev -0.2%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.75 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.5

total AMARETTO on the nose and palate in tiny sips.... the feel, the smell and the taste in super small sips is completely Amaretto.... slightly thinner than i expected.

Dec 23, 2019
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GreesyFizeek from New York

3.27/5  rDev -28.6%
look: 3.75 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.25 | feel: 3 | overall: 3

This one pours a very dark black color, with a small head, and not much lacing.

This one smells like oxidization and cardboard, artificial vanilla, candy syrup, booze, and chocolate.

I expected quite a bit more out of this beer. Given the 16% ABV, I expected that it wouldn't be over the hill, but it certainly is, unfortunately. It's oxidized, with old fruit and stale flavors. There's also a definitely artificial sweetness here, unlike most version of FO - they almost always have legitimate vanilla flavors. I am very disappointed here.

This is medium bodied, and pretty creamy, with a heavy duty boozines on the very back end of each sip.

This was honestly supposed to be really great, and it was instead massively disappointing. Something these things happen.

Aug 04, 2019
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Vidblain from Minnesota

4.5/5  rDev -1.7%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.5

Tremendously boozy vanilla in the nose and in the taste. Lots and lots of barrel - a bit dry, nice clean finish. Vanilla tastes very natural, though boozy as hell.

Call me a heathen, but I prefer how much smoother Fundamental Observation is (2017 is my benchmark) - I might almost rather have that beer.

Jun 17, 2019
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Ciocanelu from Romania

4.5/5  rDev -1.7%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.5

Sample at Mikkeller Beer Celebration Copenhagen 2018, Green Session. Aroma is sweet, malty and sugary with dried fruit notes. Taste is sweet, boozy, sugary with intense flavors, bitter dark chocolate finish, bourbon heat and wood barrel.

Jun 20, 2018
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Futbolmanby from Michigan

4.66/5  rDev +1.7%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4.75 | taste: 4.75 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.5

Look: fudge batter thick, as black as it can get with a thin khaki head.
Smell: bourbon, vanilla, carnal and ethanol
Taste: marshmallow, vanilla and a great bourbon finish
Feel: thick, no carbonation but it's still a little hot so u get an ethanol burn.

Overall it's a killer beer, just needs a year or two to sit.

Dec 02, 2017
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edthehead from New York

4.6/5  rDev +0.4%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.75 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.5

Wish I could have this side by side with FO. I really think it's every bit as good. Possibly even more bourbon and vanilla if my memory serves me right?

Aug 15, 2017
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Stevedore from Oregon

4.49/5  rDev -2%
look: 4.25 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.5

500ml bottle. Served in a snifter glass. Pours a dark black body, one finger offwhite head, good retention, no lacing. Smell is boozy vanilla brownie batter; the vanilla bean is more of a slightly processed type rather than the marshmallowy type, it reminds me a bit of french vanilla ice cream if that makes sense. A bit of smoky malt, strong milk chocolate sweetness, cocoa and espresso from the base beer, lots of bourbon. Flavour is essentially a boozy creme brulee with chocolate brownie batter. Super nice in small quantities. Mouthfeel is fuller bodied, moderate booziness, with a lingering vanilla bean finish. A really big dessert beer which is nice in smaller quantities, but this big boy will hit ya hard if you're not careful.

Aug 13, 2017
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Alieniloquium from Florida

3.78/5  rDev -17.5%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 3 | overall: 4

500 mL bottle. Black body. Smells of alcohol, vanilla, more alcohol, roasted and nutty malts. Some oak. Tastes of vanilla. Sharp vanilla and fruitiness. Alcohol. Rich chocolate. More alcohol. Heavy and intensely alcoholic. It's over the top in every way, but it is really well made for what it is.

Jun 29, 2017
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Fireman_RK from North Carolina

4.94/5  rDev +7.9%
look: 4.75 | smell: 5 | taste: 5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 5

L: Dark onyx hues with a rich dark brown and sandy head
S: Huge vanilla beans on the nose with a bit of barrel
T: Liquid s'mores - vanilla bomb, dark and milk chocolate, subtle malt breadiness, and boozy bourbon
F: Medium to thick body with ample carb
O: Absolutely loved this one. To me this was an intensified, next level FO - more vanilla, more booze, more chocolate. Overall, this was very well done.

May 11, 2017
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rmpic82 from Kansas

4.52/5  rDev -1.3%
look: 4.75 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.5

A beastly brew, at 16+ there is definitely some power to this one. It has great barrel presence, with a slug of vanilla on the mid-palate. The length is there. Maybe I'm just not as big a vanilla fan? It was good, but not something I'd need to seek out or "overpay" for.

May 09, 2017
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rabbott2 from Illinois

4.65/5  rDev +1.5%
look: 4.75 | smell: 4.75 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.75 | overall: 4.75

original batch drank on 4/30/2017

L-thick dark black, minimal head, a little bit of lacing

S-vanilla, milk chocolate, and oak with the boozy bourbon coming through with power. Not getting the cocoa nibs that FO brings through so nicely.

T-follows the nose, but the boozy bourbon is pretty intense. The vanilla is somewhat hidden under the bourbon.

F-semi-creamy and definitely does not drink like a 16%er. Probably 12-13% would have been my guess. No heat at all either.

Overall - I definitely like FO better, but I LOVE FO more than just about any beer I've had. I would have liked more vanilla to come through, but there certainly is a nice vanilla presence. The boozy bourbon is strong, but in a very good way. Incredible beer, and one I think will age well.

May 01, 2017
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YodersBeerEmporium from Iowa

5/5  rDev +9.2%
look: 5 | smell: 5 | taste: 5 | feel: 5 | overall: 5

This was everything I had hoped it would be! Fundamental Observation on Steroids! More barrel notes, more vanilla IMO then FO b2 for sure...maybe not b1... Pretty solid!

Apr 18, 2017
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GuyFawkes from Illinois

4.04/5  rDev -11.8%
look: 4.25 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4.25 | overall: 4

2017 vintage; drank 4/14/17 @ Harvest Hop Haus.

Black appearance.

Almost no tan head; no lace.

Vanilla, bourbon heat & milk chocolate notes in the nose.

Thick, smooth mouthfeel.

Vanilla, bourbon heat, milk chocolate & medium roast coffee flavors.

There's a delicious beer lurking in this beer, but it's too hot right now to truly love. Maybe in 2 years this will blossom...still good now.

Apr 16, 2017
Fundamental Forces from Bottle Logic Brewing
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