Averagely Perfect American Brown Ale - Poll #1 - ABV

Discussion in 'Homebrewing' started by VikeMan, Mar 8, 2019.

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What should the target ABV be?

Poll closed Mar 10, 2019.
  1. 4.4%

    2.6%
  2. 4.6%

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  3. 4.8%

    2.6%
  4. 5.0%

    7.7%
  5. 5.2%

    5.1%
  6. 5.4%

    20.5%
  7. 5.6%

    41.0%
  8. 5.8%

    12.8%
  9. 6.0%

    5.1%
  10. 6.2%

    2.6%
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  1. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    -> Pre-poll #2 <- determined that the Brown Ale to be built will be an American Brown Ale.

    This will be the 7th Averagely Perfect project. If you don't know what these are about, see the summary links below, compiled courtesy of @riptorn:

    The Averagely Perfect American IPA “How We Got There” thread
    The Averagely Perfect American Stout “How We Got There” thread
    The Averagely Perfect Saison “How We Got There thread”
    The Averagely Perfect NorthEast IPA “How We Got There” thread
    The Averagely Perfect Dubbel “How We Got There” thread
    The Averagely Perfect ESB “How We Got There” thread

    This poll (#1) will determine the ABV target. If you want an ABV higher or lower than the choices listed, write it in.

    When this poll is done, I will look at the data a few different ways to determine if there is a central tendency. It may or may not be as simple as a plurality would indicate. There may or may not be a runoff(s). It all depends on the data.

    If you have issues with or suggestions for methodologies used in this project, please send them via beermail. Let's keep the threads themselves on topic to the question at hand and not about how you would have asked the question differently.

    This poll will be open for 48 hours.
     
  2. Granitebeard

    Granitebeard Zealot (549) Aug 24, 2016 Maine

    Medium to high for style has been my preference for American Browns. 5.6
     
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  3. riptorn

    riptorn Pooh-Bah (1,776) Apr 26, 2018 Georgia
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  4. Arturo2

    Arturo2 Initiate (0) Jan 6, 2019 Oregon

    5.2 is the sweet spot for me in this "style".
     
  5. pweis909

    pweis909 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,250) Aug 13, 2005 Wisconsin
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    The one I brewed recently came in pretty high (notes not handy, so no specifics at this time). I was emulating the Janet’s Brown Ale extreme version of the style. I’m tempted to vote opposite here, just to try to push this towards something different
     
  6. frozyn

    frozyn Maven (1,435) May 16, 2015 New York
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    Voted for 5.6%, would be happy with anything between 5.2 and 5.8. I think a little extra malt and ABV will help us to build a slightly richer, more enjoyable beer. I tend to think of browns as being thin and slightly insipid, so I'd like to see us improve on that.
     
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  7. wspscott

    wspscott Pooh-Bah (1,958) May 25, 2006 Kentucky
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    5.6 because that seems to allow the possibility of a "richer" beer similar to what @frozyn says above, not sure that I agree with the "insipid" part though :slight_smile:
     
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  8. dmtaylor

    dmtaylor Savant (1,149) Dec 30, 2003 Wisconsin

    I wanted 5.2% but I have voted 5.4% to try to prevent 5.6% from winning -- that's too strong guys. Let's not let this turn into a fucking "Brown IPA".
     
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  9. Granitebeard

    Granitebeard Zealot (549) Aug 24, 2016 Maine

    No need to be a Brown IPAat "higher" abvs.. My Brown comes out around 5.6% and very subdued hop characteristics with 3oz of a low AA hop in there but still balanced for the BU/GU ratio.
     
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  10. Dave_S

    Dave_S Crusader (429) May 18, 2017 England

    I for one welcome our new Brown IPA overlords!

    Well, okay, maybe not Brown IPA but I don't have a problem with people going for a bigger and brasher interpretation of the style if that's what gets them going.
     
  11. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    Just FYI, this is not a simple plurality poll.
     
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  12. frozyn

    frozyn Maven (1,435) May 16, 2015 New York
    Trader

    I highly doubt what we create will fall into that category!!
     
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  13. wspscott

    wspscott Pooh-Bah (1,958) May 25, 2006 Kentucky
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    I'm not voting any amount of hops that would lead to a brown IPA
     
  14. wspscott

    wspscott Pooh-Bah (1,958) May 25, 2006 Kentucky
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    FWIW,
    Tumbler is 5.5%
    Bell's Best Brown is 5.8%
    Avery Ellie's Brown is 5.5%
     
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  15. MostlyNorwegian

    MostlyNorwegian Pooh-Bah (2,236) Feb 5, 2013 Illinois
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    5.6 all day long.
     
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  16. pweis909

    pweis909 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,250) Aug 13, 2005 Wisconsin
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    I’m more than happy to turn it into a hoppy brown pale ale!

    To try to answer my own questions in a previous thread of what this style might be like without C hop prominence, I just sampled a can of Cigar City Madura, one of the examples from the 2015 guidelines. It’s a very drinkable 5.5 abv 20 ibu beer with no hop prominence. The beer is fairly dry, with a bittersweet chocolate roastiness. I only bought one, but it went down fast and I could easily want another. In terms of complexity, well, the bittersweet chocolate is really the only thing to latch on to, and I can’t help but think that I’d like it more with either some English crystal malt accent or sonecitrusy American hops.
     
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  17. utahbeerdude

    utahbeerdude Maven (1,374) May 2, 2006 Utah

    It looks like the process for this one is going to be very interesting.

    Personally, I like my own homebrewed American Brown's to be nice and bitter (60 Tinseth IBUs or so), with a decent finishing hop presence (Cascade and Willamette are my current choices), but not hop finished the way today's IPAs are.

    The real key to this beer, though, lies in the malt. At some level I feel it mostly slots in between a pale ale and a stout (but also bit between an amber and a porter). If done correctly, it is clearly distinct from any of these beers. For details on a malt bill that I think works really well, you can hunt down my recipe (Reiff Brothers Brown) in the Homebrew Recipes subforum. I am certainly not pushing for a clone of that beer -- I really want to see what comes from this crowd-source process.

    I'll (almost) finish by quoting Charlie Papazian from his The New Complete Joy of Homebrewing (1991 version): "A more bitter style of English brown ale emerged among American Homebrewers in the 1980s. For lack of a better name, the style was dubbed Americn Brown Ale, somewhat akin to a dark pale ale with lots of hops. Its bitterness ranges between 25-60 IBUs."

    At one point (and pint) in time Pete's Wicked was a tasty example of the style. Unfortunately, it is no more.

    Cheers!
     
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  18. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    I'm trying to remember if there even was another American Brown Ale when Pete's Wicked first came out.
     
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  19. dmtaylor

    dmtaylor Savant (1,149) Dec 30, 2003 Wisconsin

    I love Pete's Wicked. Got the real recipe, it's yummy, brings back memories, if anyone's interested...
     
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  20. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    I'm interested.
     
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